Jeff - I do not know about cuttings for these plants. For the ceanothus try pushing a branch over and pittung it on the ground, weight it down and cover that with soil. The Ceanothus I have in my yard was put in by the gardener and has that tendency. Like rooting from contact points with the ground. Outside of that here are two resources for working with seeds. Seed propagation of Native Californai Plants by Dara Emery, 1988 by the Santa Barbara Botanic Garden. also,Collecting, Processing, and germinating Seeds of wildland plants, Young and Young, 1986 by Timber Press. Good luck in you endeavors. Ben</p>